LOL Newz

This is the perfect example why not to call a raise with a bad hand. Some may think that if the right flop comes you can catch the player off guard and he would not expect to see a hand like that, but think again! This was a tourny me and Brian06 played in, hes still in it so ill post to tell you how things are progressing  
Anyway here is the hand,

PokerStars Game #3528754461: Tournament #17504940, Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2006/01/04 - 02:25:47 (ET)
Table '17504940 3' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Eastered (1955 in chips)
Seat 2: MadMaxCD (6405 in chips)
Seat 4: Carbo22 (3270 in chips)
Seat 5: tgtt (3185 in chips)
Seat 6: HansBrix101 (4231 in chips)
Seat 7: 19sixtyniner (2345 in chips)
Seat 8: Brian06 (2070 in chips)
Seat 9: trojaon07 (5040 in chips)
19sixtyniner: posts small blind 50
Brian06: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
trojaon07: folds
Eastered: folds
MadMaxCD: folds
HansBrix101 said, "i was when u hit urs haha"
Carbo22: folds
tgtt: folds
HansBrix101: calls 100
19sixtyniner: calls 50
Brian06: raises 200 to 300
HansBrix101: folds
19sixtyniner: calls 200
*** FLOP *** [8d Ac 2s]
19sixtyniner: checks
Brian06: checks
*** TURN *** [8d Ac 2s] [2d]
19sixtyniner: bets 200
Brian06: calls 200
*** RIVER *** [8d Ac 2s 2d] [5d]
19sixtyniner: bets 300
Brian06: raises 700 to 1000
19sixtyniner: raises 700 to 1700
Brian06: calls 570 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
19sixtyniner: shows [2c 8c] (a full house, Deuces full of Eights)
Brian06: shows [Ah As] (a full house, Aces full of Deuces)
Brian06 collected 4240 from pot
HansBrix101 said, "omg lol"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4240 | Rake 0
Board [8d Ac 2s 2d 5d]
Seat 1: Eastered folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: MadMaxCD folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Carbo22 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: tgtt folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: HansBrix101 (button) folded before Flop
Seat 7: 19sixtyniner (small blind) showed [2c 8c] and lost with a full house, Deuces full of Eights
Seat 8: Brian06 (big blind) showed [Ah As] and won (4240) with a full house, Aces full of Deuces
Seat 9: trojaon07 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
get out and in 5th place, he was too tired to post as it is about 5am. This is the hand we went out on, blinds were big and we had to make a move...
PokerStars Game #3529439599: Tournament #17504940, Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (1500/3000) - 2006/01/04 - 05:11:01 (ET)
Table '17504940 16' Seat #9 is the button
Seat 2: hamp4pres (31012 in chips)
Seat 3: MikeD619 (104196 in chips)
Seat 6: MadMaxCD (42745 in chips)
Seat 7: Brian06 (26910 in chips)
Seat 9: ImAFish4U (65137 in chips)
hamp4pres: posts the ante 150
MikeD619: posts the ante 150
MadMaxCD: posts the ante 150
Brian06: posts the ante 150
ImAFish4U: posts the ante 150
hamp4pres: posts small blind 1500
MikeD619: posts big blind 3000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
MadMaxCD: folds
Brian06: raises 6000 to 9000
ImAFish4U: folds
hamp4pres: folds
MikeD619: raises 95046 to 104046 and is all-in
Brian06: calls 17760 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [3c Kc Th]
*** TURN *** [3c Kc Th] [Js]
*** RIVER *** [3c Kc Th Js] [6s]
MadMaxCD said, "gg"
MikeD619 said, "gg"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
MikeD619: shows [8d 8h] (a pair of Eights)
Brian06: shows [7c 7d] (a pair of Sevens)
Brian06 said, "gg"
MikeD619 collected 55770 from pot
MadMaxCD said, "nh"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 55770 | Rake 0
Board [3c Kc Th Js 6s]
Seat 2: hamp4pres (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: MikeD619 (big blind) showed [8d 8h] and won (55770) with a pair of Eights
Seat 6: MadMaxCD folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Brian06 showed [7c 7d] and lost with a pair of Sevens
Seat 9: ImAFish4U (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Heres a screenie!
Ok, two things.

1. This is an extreme example, alot of the time, the 8-2 is going to win, more times than he loses, so when the time is right, i like calling a raise with junk pre-flop, especially, if i feel i can outplay my opponent post flop....although, this isn't the way i usually play, i like to be the agressor, so very rarely, am i smooth calling with a hand like 8-2 pre-flop. But, yes, his call was horrendous, calling a 3X by the BB, who is showing huge strength by raising here, is just crazy. He deserved it, but i don't mind a limp/call, especially in live games, tourneys are different.

2. I hate the raise 3X with 77. You have an m-value of 5, so you should be moving in, unless you have a hand like AA or KK. Otherwise, everytime you want to raise, it should be all in, at this stage, with your stack so low, you play push/fold poker pre-flop. You still have some fold equity here, so if you push here, then you have the likelyhood of the blinds folding, and picking up there pot there and then, and if you don't, then still, 77 isn't a bad hand to be all in on, the majority of the times you will be 50-50.